Thursday, November 20, 2008

2008 Madrasahs PSLE Results

Congratulations to the Madrasahs on this year’s PSLE examination results. But don’t celebrate too soon as numbers have clearly indicated that while they have delivered quantity, they have failed to match up on quality.


Singapore's top Malay student this year. Photo by Berita Harian

2008 marks a major milestone in Islamic education in Singapore. The Government has mandated that from this year onwards, pupils studying in the nation’s Madrasahs will have to go through the National Primary School Leaving Examinations (PSLE). This is the first rite of passage that every 12-year-old student in Singapore goes through for the rest their academic journeys. Prior to this regulation, the majority of Madrasahs’ students did not go through the exams.

The mandate has been enacted to ensure that the Singapore’s Madrasahs deliver a certain level of quality before they are allowed to continue taking in students into its helms. After all, Madrasahs in the nation have long been perceived to deliver students of inferior academic quality when compared to their peers from National schools.

But that perception was shattered yesterday with the release of the 2008 PSLE results. 98% of students studying in Madrasahs passed the exams. A commendable figure given that the national figure stands at a slightly lower 97.1 %

Singapore’s Malay media was quick to hail the achievement. Berita Harian, the national Malays newspaper, carried the headline “98% Madrasahs Students Passed PSLE” in bold letterings across its front page. Interviews with students, parents and teachers on TV trumpeted the results as tangible evidence that Madrasahs student can do as well, if not better, than their national school counterparts.

But the reality is Madrasahs may be getting a little ahead of themselves in declaring victory. 98% in this context is, statistically speaking, a figure of quantity rather than a figure of quality. What the figure tells us is that the Madrasahs have delivered more students who qualify for post-primary education, than the national average.

But what do the statistics say about the quality of Madrasahs students delivered? For this, we need to drill down a little deeper into the statistics that nobody seemed to have paid much attention to.

After the PSLE results, pupils are streamed into three academic pens, according to their academic results. Those who deliver exceptional results are channelled into the Express stream while the weaker ones are funnelled into the Normal streams. The Normal stream is further segmented into Normal (Academic) and Normal (Technical), the latter being a channel for the technically-inclined.

This is where the Madrasahs have failed to deliver up to national standards. For students in the Madrasahs cohort, only 41% of its pupils delivered results that qualified them for the Express stream. This is far short of the national figure whereby 64% of students qualified.

The majority of Madrasahs students (57%) who took the PSLE only managed to make it to the Normal streams. Of these, 48% went into Normal Academic while 9% went into Normal Technical. This is a stark comparison to the National schools whereby only 33% of their cohort was funnelled into the Normal streams.

There is still a fair bit of work to do. I sure do hope that the proud proclamations by the teachers, parents and students that we saw on TV last night was not a signal that the Madrasahs are in a state-of-mind where they think that they “have arrived”.

Madrasahs have done well indeed in delivering the quantity and we should be proud that they have gotten this far. In fact the beacons of Islamic Education in Singapore should receive all the support it can get from us. But the time is not right in blowing the trumpet as yet. The community must remain focus in helping them deliver on quality and not just quantity in the next examinations.

46 comments:

  1. More can always be done...

    The big *but* is, just as the media seemed to promote the success from one perspective, your post also seemed to disregard that the primary madrasah students did not only have to prepare for the 4 PSLE subjects, but also another 3 religious subjects (which took place just a few weeks after the PSLE). It is a madrasah after all.

    Fyi.

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  2. I am damn sick of madrasah students and parents of madrasah student who keeps using the LAME EXCUSE of ukhrawi subjects.

    What do you think academic students do not have pressure to study subjects like fiqh, tauhid arabic and akhlak??

    for your info, we parents of academic students also face the pressure of these exams especially those that enrol our kids in MUIS madrasahs conducted in the evening at weekends.

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  3. to the anonymous above,

    for your info, the sunday madrasahs' curriculum is nothing compared to the islamic religious subjects studied by students in full-time madrasahs.

    i know because i transferred from madrasah to govt school midway and it was less stressful. too bad i wasn't one of those students who could cope with too many subjects :(

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  4. Bear in mind that the contact time for weekend religious classes are during the weekends. During the weekdays, the national-stream students have 5 days' worth of "prime contact time" to focus on 4 subjects. The madrasah students have 5 days to squeeze in 7 subjects.

    I don't think it's an excuse at all. It's a perfect reason to give credit where it's due.

    And I must digress at semantics; madrasah students are 'academic' students too. =)

    Lastly I must reiterate that I never deny that improvements are always welcome. But I stand by my view that the madrasahs have exemplified a commendable first attempt.

    Cheers,

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  5. Very often Madrasah students have given this excuse time and time again that "they are doing both ukhrawi and duniawi subjects so thay are over loaded".

    Let us examine this claim by Madrasah students that they are overloaded:

    I will use the example of my niece in Raffles, currently in sec one this year.

    She takes 11 subjects. Including humanities like social studies which Madrasah has conveniently ignored. On top of that she takes higher Malay, German as third language and represents her school in the girls "c" division cross country and track and field team in which she has done pretty well.

    (Madrasahs have off course excluded their kids from sports)

    On top of that, she is a trainee student counsellor attending activities every monday and wednesday.

    On weekends she does compulsory school actrivities in order to fulfill her CIP hours

    (Madrasahs have excluded themselves from CIP hours)

    And to top it all off she attends a 6-hour madrasah on sundays and wednesday evenings attended by pupils from national schools like her. and mind you there is still subjects like arabic etc and they are examinable. alhamdulillah she has done well in her madrasah also.

    So what is the excuse here for Madrasah students to say that they are overloaded when the typical madrasah student takes on EVEN LESSER subjects than the typical national o level student? at PSLE, the workload is baout the same considering the sports activities CIP hours etc, additional subjects like social studies and civics that madrasahs have excluded from their curriculum?

    humans are good at making excuses. let's not have this habit.

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  6. Are the Malays in national schools who are eligible for express courses also more than 60% in the first place? It is quite amazing that people are comparing the Malay-based Madrasah system with the national standard and not comparing it with the Malay standard. Cool, that just show that Madrasah is par excellence :)

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  7. @ Fazlur:

    Convenient argument. But I must it is a bit askewed to compare sec 1 curriculum with primary 6 curriculum. Do take a look at the curriculum offered for madrasah students at secondary 1 level.

    Humans are not only good at making excuses, they're better at glossing over details.

    Cheers,

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  8. Fazlur,

    I know for sure that madrasahs like Maarif & Irsyad DO have humanities subjects.

    Anyway, isn't it a bit too far off to compare Madrasahs with elite schs like RGS? Why don't you compare madrasah students with your nieces/nephews from neighbourhood schools instead? How many O'levels subjects did/will they sit for, is it ard 7 to 9 too, like the madrasah students? Or more?

    Wish you'd done a bit of research beforehand. Humans are only good at making assumptions, aye?

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  9. Instead of comparing the PSLE results of Madrasah students with those of the national average, wouldn't the more suitable comparison be that with those of the Malay/Muslim average? If the Madrasah PSLE results are better than the Malay/Muslim average, then this policy is a step in the right direction.

    Furthermore, this is the first year Madrasah students are taking the PSLE results. So, even if they fared badly with respect to the national average, it would be premature to conclude that a madrasah-style primary school curriculum is incompatible with the national educational policy.

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  10. Madrasahs have excluded kids from sports? Sure, they purposely decided to to omit that sports track and football field because of untold reasons, NOT because of lack of funding or space constraint. We all know just how well-funded these madrasahs are. Just look at the vast grounds which these madrasahs occupy.

    /end sarcasm

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  11. i have used the example of my daughter currently in sec 1 for a simple reason that she is in sec one this year. but i would like to assure you that her schedule in P6 was no different.

    she was in school netball team, as with everyone else in school where sports is compulsory and occupies at least 2 out of every 5 days AFTER school. sports, as the govt will tell u, builds on the spirit. sadly our madrasahs have chosen to ignore sports in their curicullum (besides minor events like SUKMA)

    in upper primary from p4-p6, she was also involved in girl guides, the female version of scouts. do ppl from madrasah involve themselves in girl guides and scouts? of course not. becos somehow madrasahs have seem to think that these activities that benefit the nation do not benefit the madrasah. they will only take part in tahfiz, tilawah competitions and other activities that do not contribute to nation building as a whole.

    so pls stop using the excuse of P6 students in madrasah having more subjects than those in national schools. this is completely A MYTH. WHAT STUDENTS LACK IN NUMBER OF SUBJECTS IF FULLY TAKEN UP BY NATIONAL ACTIVITIES AND CCAS THAT MADRASAH STUDENTS DO NOT INVOLVE IN. do u have any idea how much these activites take, even eating onto the weekends?

    perhaps its time madrasahs students involve themselves in national activities like the scouts movement, science club etc. judging from the standard of national knowledge of a lot of our ustaz, it could be a good idea.

    and dont' blame funding for the lack of madrasah involvement in sports and national education. madrasah truly does NOT deserve govt funding. why?

    simple. because govt fund comes from all taxpayers, regardless of whether they are muslim or not. it is not fair for the tax money of a non-muslim be used to fund the education of children who will grow up becoming an asatizah to benefit only Muslims.

    national school students on the other hand, grow up to be professionals that are of benefit to the entire nation NOT JUST MUSLIMS. it is therefore fair that since madrasahs only mainly benefit muslims, we muslims fit the bill, no matter how small the money may be.

    and correction, this is NOT the first year madrasahs are taking PSLE. it has been for a few years. pls do your homework. this year it is the first time is compulsory but they have been taking it for the past couple of years in preparation.

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  12. Wow, Bro Fazlur, you're just waiting to be flamed. Your comment is binary, prejudiced, and bordering on idiocy.

    How you even come up with the assumption that "somehow madrasahs have seem to think that these activities that benefit the nation do not benefit the madrasah."?? And that "they will only take part in tahfiz, tilawah competitions and other activities that do not contribute to nation building as a whole."??

    Just how myopic can the statement be? Just because a person is not a girl guide or in a science club, would it mean that he/she is not contributing to nation building?

    You gotta read up more.

    And you're trying hard to brush every possible madrasah graduate with just one stroke (I'm assuming you don't know that the majority of madrasah students do not become a religious teacher): "...judging from the standard of national knowledge of a lot of our ustaz, it could be a good idea."

    So, lemme get this straight. You want the ustazs to be learned in religion. Check. And then some girl scout skills, and basic science skills. Sure, understandable. Check check.

    But then I think you may be implying that they should know all of the modern sciences and relate it to religion. Sure, why not. And add to that, Islamic banking and finance, some accounting, bioethics, perhaps a dash socio-psychology. Don't forget counselling, which usually comes with the assumption that ustazs can rehabilitate anyone.

    And the best way to do that? Providing them with the least amount of resources ("madrasah truly does NOT deserve govt funding.")

    You are a bright one.

    Btw, is it your niece or your daughter? You gotta make up your mind.

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  13. Assalamualaikum to all and good evening children.

    Since everyone in this comment box is behaving like children here, I think this greeting is proper indeed.

    I hope we can observe adab and refrain from caps and sarcasm here. Its rude and shows your upbringing. So please no more sarcasm.

    I think there are several issues here:

    1. Madrasah funding.
    Some think its unfair that Madrasah does not get the funding like national school does.

    Well here is my take on it. Would you be happy if you as a Muslim, pay taxes and the govt takes that money to fund a christian bible college?

    Well its the same concept. You cannot expect other community to fund our religious education the same way you would not want your money to fund a bible college. That is why Madrasah is funded by the money exclusively from the community via MBBS and school fees, periodic donations at mosques (which national schools dun get to enjoy) and even higher fees that madrasahs are free to charge without seeking the consent from MOE. the concept is simple but i think it explains the funding issue better than fazlur's concept of madrasah do not benefit the nation ;)

    2. Number of subjects taught
    I hope we do not look down on each other here. Do not have the "im better than you" mentality. each student from madrasah or national school has his burden. madrasah with the ukhrawi subjects and national schools with their CCA and national activities commitments and also National Service. I hope we can put this issue at rest and not compare but support all our Muslim students instead.

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  14. WM says:

    As usual, Melayu suka sangat tiup diorang punya trompet very early. The Madrasahs have NOT arrived. Period.

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  15. urmm, i don't think anyone has said that the madrasas have arrived.

    they just said that the madrasas showed a 'not bad' first effort, which is very true imho.

    let's pray that they will continue to improve in their subsequent attempts, as we should too.

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  16. fazlur's comments just tickled me so much.

    just for kicks, i'd love to see his niece/daughter(i dunno, u cant seem to make up ur mind) who's in the 'secular' top girls' school be put in madrasah's top girls school al-maarif. let's see how she fares. whether that 11 subjects or more wld be 'easier' than madrasah's syllabus. anyway she studies 6 hrs each week on religious studies? maybe she wld excel in MUIS' Secondary Four major exams as well, which by the way held every yr since more than 10 yrs ago in october, right before GCE O LEVELS. im sure she cld do VERY WELL in all those 20 subjects since she's such an all rounder. oh those ECAs' hours. lets see if she cld cope with the 20 subjects' homeworks and projects first, after being in school the whole day.

    the madrasah's ppl i know have never blown their trumpets that they've arrived. even when i personally know their graduates have long done well in secular institutions(JCs/poly/uni) post-madrasah. and it has been going on since 1994(when the 1st al-maarif girl was accepted into VJC). only when the media starts to focus on madrasah's 'achievements' that ppl think the madrasahs feel proud just because of this one PSLE results which surprised a lot of ppl who had typecasted madrasahs' students. all these while, they've been doing the right thing and without fail produce students with excellent GCE results each year. with or without funding. just because PSLE results are made known nation wide, community is 'surprised', n i can't blame the media it's their job to spice up news anyway.


    wallahua'lam.

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  17. As the writer pointed out, madrasahs have delivered quantity but not quality. But in typical Malay fashion, Berita Harian blew the trumpet out proud and loud prematurely.

    Most of them end up in Normal stream. Great. Exactly what our society needs. More mediocrity and normal students.

    They should just exempt these people from PSLE. They are growing up to be Ustaz and Ustazahs who can't even string a proper sentence in grammatically correct English anyway.

    Later

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  18. fazlur, wah...his wat? niece ke daughter? quite confusing eh. ooh maybe both niece n daughter masuk raffles eh. alhamdulillah masuk Raffles...bukan calang2 budak eh dapat masuk. syukur alhamdulillah. the best way nak balas balik kenikmatan yg Allah berikan ialah dengan sentiasa bersyukur bukan membanding2 n bermegah2. Allah kalo nk tarik balik nikmatNYA tu sekejap je pun boleh. kite kena tunduk bukan mendongak je. amek german as third language..wah..n doin fine some more eh. alhamdulillah..praise to Allah for all tht. but i dont think tht german language is use in every single subject rite? only as a language subject rite?

    nak compare full time madrasah subjects dgn madrasah mingguan? coz her niece / daughter masuk madrasah mingguan n still no problem with all her subjects. just to make it clear, ya...madrasah mingguan blaja only basic agama bukan lebih mendalam dan terperinci. kalau di madrasah sepenuh masa, secara khusus lagi..mendalam dan berfokus. kalau madrasah mingguan tu hanya sbagai sandaran n guideline agar anak2 kite sentiasa peka ttg agama sendiri jadi dorang tak leka. subjects in madrasah totally diff la..pendidikan agama yg dipelajari mostly in arabic language n need alot of hafaz..n exposure lagi lain. cannot compare. wayyyy diff,man

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  19. How come the comment above is in Malay? Is this a Malay blog?

    Oh I get it. It must be from a Madrasah graduate. Well it's ok I understand.

    Cheers.

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  20. I don't know Anonymous, but I hope he doesn't mind me translating what he beautifully said in the above. (Although I think the message has more kick in Malay!) This is of course for the benefit of the OTHER anonymous comment author.. who could either be non-malay speaking, or just be really bad at it.. (or just lupa diri? Oops.. you understand this or not?)

    But just a question though.. What DO you understand, Anonymous?

    /Translation begins:
    Wow Fazlur, was it niece or daughter? Quite confusing eh. ooh maybe both niece and daughter got into Raffles eh. Alhamdulillah, (need translation? Thanks be to Allah.) they got into Raffles. Not just any Tom, Dick or Harry can get into Raffles. Syukur Alhamdulillah. The best way to repay the blessings Allah has given is to always be grateful and not by creating divides (by negatively comparing) and by being stuck-up. If Allah wills it, He can retract those blessings in a second. We have to bow our heads and not only stick our noses up the air. Wow, German as third language! and doing fine some more eh. Alhamdulillah.. praise to Allah for all that. But i don't think that german is used in every single subject right? only as a language subject right?

    Compare full time madrasah with weekly madrasah? cos her niece/daughter is enrolled in weekly madrasah and still has no problems with all her subjects. just to make it clear, ya... weekly madrasah only teaches basic (islamic) religion, and not with great depth. Unlike in full-time madrasah, it's more in-depth and affords greater details. Weekly madrasah is only an avenue for the student to gain a basic guide for our children, so that they have some form of instruction to follow and apply, and not be way-laid. Subjects in madrasah (full-time) totally diff la.. Language of instruction in the religious subjects is mostly in Arabic, and the subjects require a lot of memorizing and internalising. and exposure is also different. cannot compare. wayyyy diff, man.

    /translation ends.

    By the way, this blog isn't a blog in Malay, but it certainly is about the community. I don't see any problem with anyone replying in the Malay language, given that by default, all Malays should be able to speak it. But if your command of the language is poor, or if you're not from the community, a polite request for a translation would've sufficed.

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  21. anonymous, how many language do u speak?

    i am a senior staff nurse graduated from NANYANG POLYTECHNIC after studying at madrasa al-ma'arif since pri 1. I have decided to join secular as I do not think I am suitable to go for ukhrawi though I have never failed any of ukhrawi subjects.

    Weekend madarasah subjects are taught in full-time madrasah from pri 1 to pri 3. Obviously, fazlur n anonymous religious knowledge is very low that it leads to the understanding that weekend madarasah is enough for muslims.

    FYI, fazlur, my seniors from madarasah have graduated from NUS. My batch from al-ma'arif itself have NUS, NIE, NYP, TP and SP graduates. And I can assure you that none of us is an Ustazah.....

    Btw, where do YOU graduated from?

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  22. Hi...tot of giving salam but I don think you deserve it.

    I am a senoir staff nurse. Graduated from NYP yr 2000. Studied in Madrasah Al-ma'arif from pri 1 to sec 4.

    I do not take PSLE. I took GCE O level. I wonder why NYP accept me? Did they not noticed that I do not take PSLE??!!! Did they not noticed I am from a madrasah??? Oh no!!!

    Oh yeah..and how abt the rest of our madrasah girls who graduated from NUS,NIE,NTU, NYP,SP,TP and JCs?? How come they can accept us?? That is terrible right Fazlur??

    We have a lot of graduates from our madrasah who went to secular tertiary since more than 10 yrs ago....did u know that? Is there any publicity over us? How come I never see my pic in Berita Harian eh?

    Oh yeah...hmmm...those NTU/NUS/polytechnics graduates are not ustazahs...jus so u can haf a peace of mind....

    Weekend madrasah's subjects r taught in full-time madrasah from pri 1 to pri 3. Maybe you need to belajar ugama in more detail cos seems like ur religious knowledge is low bro.....

    I do not deny that other madrasahs do not have the same secular graduates as madrasah al-ma'arif....at least they are trying to be better...and you as a muslim shd acknowledge dat....
    and next time do not be so prejudiced....

    and maybe u shd mentioned the names of the madrasahs that r not contributing to society (if u think it is so important) instead of labelling ALL madrasahs as such....

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  23. bro fazlur, you have successfully ignite the flame in some of us.

    pls, do not belittle the students from madrasah. give them some credit as they have done the community proud. these students are feeling the pressure even before they entered school. take al-irsyad for example, they accept only the top 40 students. and these students have to go through rounds of tests before the school accept the top 40 students who did well in the test. mind you TOP 40 students who did well. for those who passed but did not make in the the top 40 will not be accepted. does secular school have such practice? no i don't think so.

    the parents of the madrasah students wants the best for their kids. to have more than 4 subjects compared to secular school, i have to say i really admire these kids cos they are able to juggle all the subjects. these parents do not want them to excel in duniawi but ukhrawi as well. cos at the end of they day, when we leave this world, will we be asked about mathematics, english, science or what nots?

    as the minister said, not ALL children are able to do juggle between duniawi and ukhrawi studies. so for these students who did well, we should commend them and not put them down. so bro fazlur, the moral of the story here is to think before you write such remarks.

    salam!

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  24. Cik Fazlur,

    Assalamualaikum.

    Firstly, I think your observation is clearly one-sided; even narrow-minded. I agree totally that a community should always aim for excellence; for the good of its future. But I also believe in celebrating success.

    I think the Madrasahs have done exceedingly well despite the hardships the past years. What they achieved beat any schools in Singapore. To change in a mere few years to include PSLE/O-level subjects and then achieving such passing rates is something we need to applaud.

    A madrasah student studies anything between 11 - 15 subjects, not including CCAs or other extra-curricular activities. Please try to understand that with the extra subjects, how many hours can one put into doing CCAs?

    While kids in secular school, like your niece studies Humanities, Madrasahs have Islamic Social Studies that teaches students their identity/responsibilities as Muslims in the global community. Is this not humane enough to warrant your approval?

    Yes, madrasahs do not have girl guides or scouts to "contribute to the nation" but look around you Cik Fazlur, who are the people who head our mosques, lead our prayers, teach our children the ways of Islam, work in MUIS so we can continue building the Malay/Muslim community? Aren't they people from Madrasahs?

    And you mention that these people do not deserve taxpayer's money since they only contribute to the muslim community? Asatizahs/Ustaz/Ustazah contribute directly to the building of the nation because they are involved in building the Malay/Muslim community which include people like you and me. We in turn become better Muslims, which make us better persons and we contribute to the nation. So this is a chain reaction.

    Like I said, you have tunnel vision when making your observations. Maybe you would benefit from learning a little from these Madrasah students.

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  25. ok ok
    the subjects offered in a Madrasah, namely, Madrasah Al-Maarif with the Pink 'skirt' are;

    Mathematics Syllabus D
    Additional Mathematics
    Geography
    Science (Chemistry/Physics/Bio)
    English Language
    Higher Malay
    Arabic Language (please note that all 3 language are as FIRST language)
    History
    Geography
    Islamic Religious Knowledge
    Malay Literature

    Fiqh - Islamic Law
    Tauhid - Islamic Beliefs
    Akhlaq - Islamic Ethics
    Sirah - Islamic History
    Islamic Literature
    Arabic Grammar

    ....to name a few....

    So are the Madrasah students not challenged enough?? So are those Islamic subjects Easy Peasy? As well as the understandings? Can we say that the weekends Madrasahs COVER the same subjects and syllabus as Full-time Madrasahs? Or can we say that the academic subjects offered by the Madrasahs ARE NOT THE SAME as normal public schools and hence the pressures are not the same??

    Do NOT undermine ANY education. EDUCATION is EDUCATION no matter where you get them. Yeah so maybe the Madrasahs students are not as sophisticated, but the knowledge they learn will take them to the hereafter and will make them a better person, a well-rounded one at that.

    Cheers.
    Jannah

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  26. oh i came across this video on youtube on madrasah team in an english debate which was aired on channel5.

    "they are growing up to be Ustaz and Ustazahs who can't even string a proper sentence in grammatically correct English anyway."

    certainly this person who said this line is ignorant. very ignorant.
    even more sad when i saw the remarks on why a person replied in malay.
    my chinese friend said this a few minutes ago when she saw this page:
    "typical malay, when they have nothing more to answer, they attack the smallest detail which has nothing to do with the big picture. wat's wrong with replying in your own language which everybody understands?"

    im so ashamed of my fellow malays' comments in here especially fazlur's.

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  27. fazlur, ur a fine example of an ignorant person.
    u dont have to do anything to change this fact. :)

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  28. Assalamualaikum to all.

    I am a parent of 2 girls in madrasah. Let me give you a take on what I really feel.

    I was one of those who saw the news clip on Suria that nite. Honestly as i saw the results, i felt glad. thanks to Allah, our students have passed. but somehow as i watched the clip further, my feelings changed as i saw the comments made by some students, parents and teachers interviewed by the news clip. They started atacking the national schools with their statements "hey-wer're better than national schools" dialogue. somehow that comes across as arrogant, in my opinion.

    why do these students and parents have to do that? madrasah student did well, ALHAMDULILLAH all thanks be to ALLAH. there is no need to compare and contrast with them in national schools. all these years when our national school students did well, they never have compared themselves to the madrasahs, even though the madrasahs have been taking PSLE (although not compulsory) for about 5 years now. but suddenly when madrasah students got a higher passing rate, they started to become proud and arrogant?

    And please note my brothers and sister, 98% is ONLY PASSING RATE as the good writer bro ridzwan pointed out. its an indication of quantity, not quality. the quality of our students have far yet to match up in terms of those making to express stream.

    Please leave our arrogance at home. It is not a good reflection on those from the Madrasah, especially those who have left their comments here. I think you guys are acting very arrogant - such as the lady from Madrasah Al-Maarif who typed our her school nanyang polytechnic in capital letters. You qualified for poly, all well and good alhamdulillah. There is no need to ask people which school they came from.
    Bear in mind that to the secular students, qualifying for poly is not smth to be proud about. The poly to them is a dumping ground for JC rejects. So please dont embarass yourself by being so proud.

    You have become a nurse. all well and good alhamdulillah. there is no need to be proud either. All thanks to Allah. To the students in national schools, they desire to become top civil servants, lawyers and doctors. Not nurses. To them nurses are people you call when you need to poke a temperature in the rectum and clean up after their vomit. So please there is no need to be proud of facts like these.

    Malay community needs more than just a handful of madrasah students who make it to NUS to prove. Those who qualify for university and from local madrasahs are very small indeed compared to those malays in national schools. small numbers do not reflect reality.

    They can also point out to madrasah products like Marina Yusoff who went from tilawah champion to perempuan joget on Suria. I'm sure thats not a good reflection on madrasah students because people like marina yusoff are small in number, so too are madrasah students who go to NUS.

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  29. It is not fair to compare madrasah education and national school education.

    Madrasah males do not deserve any credit as they can carry on studying without disruptions in the form of National service in the army.

    To the people in national schools, Madrasah males are a bunch of semi-men who have their genitals stuck in between their legs. When there is a war, they will be hiding like cowards behind the skirts of their women while those from national schools will bear arms and weapons to defend their country.

    Madrasah males are not trained in combat, national education, nor the ability to use weapons and defend themselves or their loved ones when ther is a war. They are useless males when ther is a war, just stay at home while real men go to war and those in civil defence and police guard the country.

    So please take a good look in the mirror and know your place before being so arrogant, understand? Give a little more respect where respect is due, especially to those giving their lives to defned this country that you live in, the real men from national schools.

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  30. Salaam to all,

    I think this discussion has gone on long enough.

    Sometimes when defending what we believe in, it is easy to get caught unawares in the iblees' whispers.

    I believe the original purpose of the discussion is to clear the air instead claiming one's bragging rights.

    Just because one can win an argument, doesn't mean that he/she is right. Our energies are much better off being focused to help our ummah, regardless of where they studied in.

    "The best of you at Allah's side are the one with most piety." (49:13)

    Selamat hari raya & eid mubaarak.

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  31. Honestly, I didn't think it was arrogant of these ladies from the "pink" skirt madrasah to say what they did.

    It unfortunately stemmed from attacks on their school system, that although has a lot of room for improvement, was completely not being given ANY credit in a) nation building b) as a form of respectable education/foundation.

    I applaude them for making themselves heard. Without such inputs, I bet a lot of people will continue to have deep knowledge in the secular school system (from their experience) and yet only a brief idea of the madrasah system.

    I understand if you feel a little ashamed when others seem to be blowing their trumpets / being arrogant. - That's probably because you are a humble person and don't like it when we give too much praise to something we are directly associated with.

    But look, no one can deny that the madrasah system and its students have been under a lot of stigma, for VERY long. And much of it is not fair, completely stereotypical and even plain wrong, as pointed out by many other more positive comments here.

    As I see it, all education systems have their merits, madrasah system included! Like I said before, to excel in such a rigorous system, you need to REALLY be high in discipline, and possess strong character to fend off criticisms that do not seem to go away even when progress has been made.

    No, I do not see that Polytechnics are dumping grounds for students.. Honestly, I think Polytechnics are for students who have the maturity to have decided what they want to pursue as a diploma (and life career probably) by the age of 17. I imagine most JC students will admit to you that they haven't decided what it is that they want to pursue, and going to JC buys them abit more time, if they can make the 20 points cutoff. JC's not for everyone, and neither is the Polytechnic.

    So Kak/Abg with 2 daughters in madrasah, I think you should set aside your own prejudices of the different types of institutions as well. don't leave them at home, throw them out completely. It seems to me that you yourself have biases against the polytechnics, calling it a dumping ground. Masha-Allah, we should be proud that more Malays are making it into Polys and JCs and Unis. As a community, we should be proud! We may have a lot of work to do still in many areas, but aren't you inspired and comforted that your daughters could be 2 of them successful ones later on? Becoming useful members of society, who can be proud that their parents sent them to madrasah becos they want them to gain as much knowledge as possible, duniawi and ukhrawi, and have a solid foundation for life! Tak kira lah if they become nurses, or doctors. Professions that are respectable in their own rights!

    Wassalam.

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  32. Salams to all,
    I think its more of an encouragement for Berita Harian to post that Headlines than anything. Im sure the muslims community (except some like you know who you are) are proud of that achievements. I should say it's a good start for the madrasah students. Hopefully this will motivate the madrasah students to challenge themselves and do even better than the current batch.
    We should continue to give our support and encouragements to these students and not vilify what they have achieved.

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  33. salaam mr. fazlur..

    its a gd thing tht ur niece or daughter is doin well in school. Praise Allah for tht. u have to Thank Allah for tht n not to condemn others coz Allah can pull back all the luxuries given to u.

    if u think tht the teachings in madrasahs arent as "heavy" as those in secular schools, i think as a gd Muslim who is thankful to HIM for giving so much in ur life to just pray the best for the others. thts all. not to judge ppl & ESPECIALLY condemn. coz remember, at any time, Allah can take away all ur luxuries.

    Ppl have their own opinions n they have their right to speak up BUT of course in a good way.

    I was from Madrasah from primary 1 to pre-university level & alhamdulillah im currently a graduating master student. for ur info, im not mastering in islamic field but in academic field. enough said.

    so maybe u have to open up tht even madrasah students can do as well as those from any other secular schools ok? It depends on each individual whether to excel or not to..not bcoz of their eduational background. thts all. I pray the best for all esp u.

    salaam....

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  34. 23 - I totally disagree with you. My husband came from Madrasah and his exemption from National Service is not by his will. He was simply issued with an exemption letter by the government.

    I remember we went to CMPB in 1997 requesting for an explanation, but we were told that there wasnt any to give. I could feel the disappointment in him, probably feeling shunned from carrying out his duties as a fellow Singaporeans.

    While others told him he was lucky to escape, this wasn’t the same sentiments he had. Being the only child who attended Madrasah out of three brothers makes him question why the discrimination?

    And for your information, my husband is not an ustaz and is doing well in the technical field.

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  35. I simply wanna say this... I am a madr grad and i always proud to be one no matter what other ppl said...

    Ppl who dun understand can simply make assumptions. Let them be then... Allah Maha Mengetahui...

    No point explaining kalau hati drg da tertutup... May Allah bless u Fadlur...

    p/s: Bear in mind.. We live in this world simply to prepare ourselves for our afterlife...

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  36. I am the anonymous above with 2 school going madrasah kids.

    All I want to say now is may Allah forgive us.

    The importance of Tawadu' and humbleness seem to have been forgotten by our Madrasah pupils. I thought this is what they teach in Madrasah.

    No more Tawadu'. Now, what is more important is that others must know what we have achieved, right?

    To all madrasah students here, especially the lady who typed out the name of her poly that she is so proud of in capital letters, well done ummah, your teachers in the madrasahs have taught you the value of tawadu' very well.

    Fiamanillah.

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  37. can someone pls explain does madrasah accepts only malay?

    as i don't see any other races in madrasah at all..

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  38. "To all madrasah students here, especially the lady who typed out the name of her poly that she is so proud of in capital letters, well done ummah, your teachers in the madrasahs have taught you the value of tawadu' very well."

    im sure the reason behind y she said that because shes actually trying to proof that madrasah grads r not what ppl call "rejected ppl".

    Im sure shes not trying to be too proud... u may hav kids studying in madrasah... but i guess... only madrasah students/grads will feel the real feelings of being condemn like that. It hurts... really... but again... we r living in the real world... so i guess madrasah students/grads hav to face this kinda problem no matter what.

    n Im glad.. most of us.. could make it.. n we are not rejected ppl anymore in our life. Some are even important ppl in the community... Alhamdulillah.

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  39. Having read the row of comments, I cannot help but feel the need to defend the lady who typed her polytechnic name in capital letters.

    In the education sector, the polytechnics are referred to in short form, similar to the JCs. e.g. NYP, NP, SP, TP, RP, RJC, MJC... It is easier than to spell out in full. Even in minutes, instead of writing 'Principal of Nanyang Polytechnic said that...', it's written as 'P/NYP said that...'

    So in this sense, I'm sure the lady wasn't myopic enough to show that she's from NYP.

    my two cents' worth...

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  40. To anonymous three comments above;
    Muslims in Singapore are a multi-ethnic lot. There are Malay muslims, Indian muslims, Chinese muslims and several other 'variations'. Its just that due to social oppression purposes, the label Malay/Muslims is often as a substitution to group all the Muslims in Singapore into one seemingly 'racial' group. In short, not all Muslims are Malays. Look beyond the label.

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  41. Anonymous said...
    can someone pls explain does madrasah accepts only malay?

    as i don't see any other races in madrasah at all..

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    dear anonymous...

    There r other races in madrasahs actually like indian, chinese, arab..only that all of them are muslims.

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  42. to the lady or the guy who said poly is a dumping ground,and tot he lady or the guy wh said the madrasahs are chuirning normal academic graduates (in his/her tone, it does'nt sounds appealing to him/her)...i was a normal academic student , went to that dumping ground poly and am now an accounting graduate working for a respectable MNC.

    To the person who said madrasahs produced half baked english speakers, i came from a christian secular school for both my primary and secondary education and rest assured, i can't say we have better speakers of the language than the madrasahs.

    And to the people who belittle our madrasah students and teachers, look at yourself in the mirror..what good have u pple achieve. Jgn bongkak sangat, Allah boleh tarik kesenangan anda sekarang.

    And to that arsehole who feels the inferior urge to insult replies made in malay language, if you are a malay, perhaps you should be reminded of your brown skin and heritage.

    I spent 4 blody years in sydney amongst people from different continents, I have never ever forgot my roots. NEVER

    Look at yourself first k bro!

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  43. Assalamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu,

    It is a gr8 blessing from Allah that madrasah students are able to cover their awrah in schools. May Allah reward them and their parents for pleasing Allah ajja wajjal and May Allah guide them to produce better results

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  44. Assalamualaikum,
    Ok, I have had enough of this. I am a student in Madrasah Al-Irsyad, and I do not think we should be basking who is the best. Of course the Berita Harian exaggerated on how malay's are doing so well. Its their own fault I admit. I do not think it is fair to compare us to top schools such as Raffles. We accept any race that wants to learn here. Here we have several foreign students here and we are very accepting of any race as long as they are willing to study what is given here. Please. All schools give knowledge and contribute to the society. This topic is to be thought of, not be made fun of or to insult. All humans have faults, I can assure you. Please do not be biased people. Madrasah students are human beings too. I feel terribly insulted that some people have the heart to say those things. I am proud of my race, my religion and where I am come from. I WILL NEVER insult secular schools, because I appreciate what values and teachings they offer to the community. I am sorry if I have angered anyone but this just has to be said.
    Wasalam

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  45. I'm neither Muslim nor Malay..But, I met a former Madrasah student during my course of studies in NUS..
    She is a successful Sociology Honours student(most probably will graduate with a second upper hons)...Fluent in English, contrary to the belief and very very vocal and confident.
    In fact she recently told me about a Madrash Al-Marif student who recevied a full-scholarship to study Medicine at Duke university after graduating form Poly..
    I happened to study gender-socialization in Madrasah Al-Marif for the purpose of research. I was suprised to say the least when I saw these girls so confident, bubbling with ideas and intelligent..I believe they are proof enough that in the absence of the "streaming system" students are able to bloom to their full-potential..

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